Wednesday, March 22, 2017

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More rain possible in county at end of week

More rain possible in county at end of week


After rain earlier this week, a reprieve is expected for the next couple of days until another chance of showers arrives in Ventura County on Friday night and Saturday.

Although Wednesday was relatively dry, parts of the county got anywhere from a quarter of an inch to an inch and a half of rain during the 48 hours leading up to 9 a.m. Wednesday, said Stuart Seto, a weather specialist for the National Weather Service in Oxnard. Matilija Dam, for example, received 1.13 inches, Seto said.

The current rain season, which began Oct. 1, has been good not only for Ventura County but also for all of California, Seto said. Take Camarillo, where 19.21 inches of rain had fallen from Oct. 1 through midnight Tuesday. Had this been a normal rain year, only 13.49 inches would have fallen during that time, Seto said.


Skies are expected to remain cloudy in the area through Sunday, he said, with any chance of rain at 40 percent or less.

Daytime high temperatures over the next four or so days will reach into the mid-60s, while overnight lows will be in the mid- to upper 40s.

A high-pressure system is forecast to move into the area on Tuesday, bringing warmer temperatures with it. Daytime highs could reach into the mid-70s by then, Seto said.

For now, a beach hazard statement remains in effect through Thursday afternoon, according to the weather agency. Dangerous rip currents and sneaker waves are expected on west-facing beaches due to elevated surf of 3 to 6 feet, the agency said.

The hazard brings an increased risk of drowning in the ocean, with rip currents that can pull swimmers and surfers out to sea. Sneaker waves can suddenly wash people off beaches and jetties.

Fwd: U.S.-Armed 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels Join Al-Qaeda's 'Bin Laden Front' in New Coalition

What happens when we don't know what we're doing

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Subject: U.S.-Armed 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels Join Al-Qaeda's 'Bin Laden Front' in New Coalition

So-called moderate rebels in Syria that have been vetted and previously armed by the U.S. government and its allies have officially partnered with al-Qaeda's rebranded local affiliate in a new organization called Tahrir al-Sham.
Among the umbrella group's members is the Bin Laden Front—named for Osama bin Laden, the late jihadist financier who oversaw the 9/11 attacks. The Bin Laden Front is among the smaller fighting bands that helped comprise Jabhat al-Nusra, perhaps the most powerful rebel force on the ground in Syria.
In 2015, al-Nusra released a 40-minute propaganda video called "The Heirs of Glory" that celebrated the 9/11 attacks. The video confirmed the Syrian group's abiding ties to al-Qaeda's international network and its commitment to an extremist ideology.
A year later, al-Nusra rebranded as Jabhat Fatah al-Sham, insisting with little credibility that it had broken its ties to al-Qaeda's external leadership.
Jabhat Fatah al-Sham announced this week that it was merging with four rebel factions: Nour al-Din al-Zinki, Liwa al-Haq, the Jabhat Ansar al-Din, and Jaish al-Sunna.
Nour al-Din al-Zinki has long been described as a major "moderate" rebel group. It was approved by the CIA and received TOW anti-tank missiles from the U.S. Al-Zinki entered the public spotlight in July for releasing a video in which it beheaded a teenager with a knife.
The new alliance, which is led by former heads of extremist militias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham and Ahrar al-Sham, calls itself Tahrir al-Sham (Arabic for "liberation of Syria").
"In view of the plots shaking the Syrian revolution... we announce the dissolution of all groups mentioned below and their total merger into a new entity named 'Tahrir al-Sham'," the militants said in a statement quoted by AFP.
Extremist cleric Abdullah al-Muhaysini, who is from Saudi Arabia but has established himself as a leading warlord in Syria, also joined Tahrir al-Sham, along with five other Salafi scholars.
The announcement of the new rebel alliance went largely unnoticed in the Western media. International news agencies Reuters and Agence France-Presse (AFP) published stories on Tahrir al-Sham, but the news wires were only reprinted by a small handful of outlets.

U.S.-Armed 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels Join Al-Qaeda's 'Bin Laden Front' in New Coalition

The fighters were vetted by the CIA and enjoyed the backing of neoconservatives in Washington.


U.S. Raid on Al Qaeda in Yemen Led to Laptop Ban on Flights, Officials Say

Intel sources fear terrorist can make bombs as small as computer batteries, provoking the ban on carry-on electronics at sensitive foreign airports.

4 Dead, Including Suspect, In Attack Near British Parliament

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4 Dead, Including Suspect, In Attack Near British Parliament


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AP Mobile: US, allies seek ways to up pressure on Islamic State group

US, allies seek ways to up pressure on Islamic State group

WASHINGTON (AP) - With U.S.-backed Iraqi forces battling to retake Mosul, officials from the 68-nation coalition fighting the...

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WASHINGTON (AP) - With U.S.-backed Iraqi forces battling to retake Mosul, officials from the 68-nation coalition fighting the Islamic State group are looking for ways to increase the pressure as planning intensifies on the next objective, dislodging the extremists from their self-declared capital in Syria.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis were hosting Iraq's prime minister and diplomats from the coalition partners in a Wednesday meeting at the State Department. The aim is to seek new ideas to expand the fight against IS and prepare for the day of its defeat.

But they were not likely to develop a new overall strategy. The Trump administration is refining its approach to the Islamic State group, and that probably will mean a greater military role for the U.S. and its allies, and increased reliance on local militias in Syria. The partnership with Kurdish forces is the source of complex and difficult discussions with Turkey, which sees the militants as a national security threat.

As IS becomes more encircled, the mission will change. Officials expect in the coming months to see the dissipation of surviving fighters into underground cells that could plan and mount attacks throughout the Middle East, South and Central Asia, Europe and the United States.

The officials gathering in Washington also hope to figure out how best to deal with the inevitably messy humanitarian and political aftermath of IS' defeat on the battlefield. There are widespread fears of chaos, such as what emerged after NATO's intervention in Libya in 2011, that could further fracture the region's deep ethnic and religious splits, and complicate the stated goal of preserving the Syrian and Iraqi states.

The meeting was the first of all the coalition's top diplomats since September 2014.

Under Trump, there has been a slight uptick in U.S. military involvement, with 400 additional Marines sent to the region this month ahead of the expected assault on Raqqa, the militants' base. U.S. officials say that operation will be modeled closely on the campaign in Mosul, Iraq's second largest city.

Iraqi government troops working with Kurdish forces known as peshmerga and supported by American airpower and military advisers are nearing a full liberation of the city that has been the extremists' main Iraqi stronghold since 2014. The effort is focused on driving them from the city's western half. The United Nations said Wednesday about 45,000 civilians have fled fighting in the past week. Some 330,000 have been uprooted since the operation began in October.

Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, who meet with Trump on Monday, said he was assured that the U.S. will accelerate support with a more aggressive stance than President Barack Obama took. Obama had been reluctant to commit large numbers of U.S. troops. His approach, which relied on training and supporting local forces, has succeeded in pushing the militants from much of the Iraqi territory they held.

Coalition members have expressed concern that Trump's proposed budget cuts to foreign aid and the United Nations will have severe consequences for humanitarian and reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Syria.

Syrian plans are confounded by the country's civil war, where a political settlement appears nowhere in sight. The U.S. and its partners must balance their need to work with Kurdish groups, whom they say are the most effective local fighting partner, and safeguard broad cooperation with coalition member Turkey.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017

Nick Quidwai shared a link: President of Uber leaves after 6 months on job |


This March 1, 2017, file photo shows an exterior view of the headquarters of Uber in San Francisco.

This March 1, 2017, file photo shows an exterior view of the headquarters of Uber in San Francisco. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)

Jeff Jones, president of the embattled ride-hailing company Uber, has resigned just six months after taking the job, the company confirmed Sunday.

In a brief statement, Uber didn't say why Jones left. "We want to thank Jeff for his six months at the company and wish him all the best," it said.

Jones told the tech blog Recode, which first reported his resignation, that his values didn't align with Uber's.

"The beliefs and approach to leadership that have guided my career are inconsistent with what I saw and experienced at Uber, and I can no longer continue as president of the ride sharing business," he said in a statement.

Jones is the latest of several high-level executives to leave the San Francisco-based company.

Last month, a top engineering executive, Amit Singhal, left Uber five weeks after his hire was announced. He allegedly failed to disclose that he'd left his previous job at Google because of a sexual harassment allegation.

Ed Baker, Uber's vice president of product and growth, resigned earlier this month. So did Charlie Miller, Uber's top security researcher, who left to join Didi, China's larger ride-hailing company.

Jones' departure comes days after Uber CEO Travis Kalanick said the company will hire a chief operating officer who can help write its "next chapter."

Jones had left Target, where he was chief marketing officer, to join Uber in September.

Uber has been hit by several controversies, including allegations that it routinely ignores sexual harassment. A recent video showed Kalanick profanely berating a driver who confronted him about steep cuts in Uber's rates.

Uber also acknowledged it has used a program to thwart authorities who have been trying to curtail or shut down its service in cities around the world.

The company also has faces challenges in court.

Waymo, a self-driving car company that used to be part of Google, last month sued Uber in federal court, alleging betrayal and high-tech espionage. The complaint accuses Anthony Levandowski, a former top manager for Google's self-driving car project, of stealing technology now propelling Uber's effort to build an autonomous vehicle fleet.

Uber denied Waymo's claims, calling them "a baseless attempt to slow down a competitor."
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more rain coming

Two storms headed toward Ventura County this week


Just in time for spring, showers are expected this week.

Ventura County likely won't see much more than a drizzle before Tuesday morning, meteorologist Curt Kaplan with the National Weather Service in Oxnard said Sunday.

Then, "it's going to stay rainy through Wednesday."


The storm is forecast to bring a third- to a half-inch of rain for much of the county, and up to an inch in some foothill and mountain areas.

And, that's just the beginning.

After a wet winter, so far March has turned out to be dry and warm.

But with two weeks left, the forecast indicates several storms appear to be headed this way.

A second wave of rain could reach the county late Friday or Saturday morning, Kaplan said. That storm could bring an additional quarter- to a half-inch of rainfall.

The following week, there likely will be another chance of rain, he said.

After five years of drought, Ventura County — and the rest of Southern California — recorded above-normal rainfall so far this year.

While far from breaking records in most local areas, totals range from 120 to 167 percent of normal at this point in the rain year, which runs from October through September.

Gray hillsides turned green, creeks and rivers started to fill, and historically-dry reservoirs got a boost.

Lake Casitas, which provides water to much of the Ojai Valley and parts of Ventura, climbed last month to 44 percent full, up from a low of 35 percent.

The rain prompted officials to move Ventura County out of the "extreme drought" category last month for the first time in years.

(Slide the map back and forth to compare years. Mobile app users: Click here to see the interactive map.)

The maps from the U.S. Drought Monitor now show the county in a moderate drought category, a sign of improving conditions.

Over the past couple weeks, temperatures have climbed and the county has dried out a bit.

Every two weeks, the Ventura County Fire Department samples plants in the area to check for moisture content — a good predictor of fire danger.

After months of those figures climbing as the vegetation soaked up the rain, the latest samples from March 14 told a different story.

Moisture levels dropped from Ojai to Malibu, though they stayed above figures from this time last year.

Things could turn around again this week, though. Kaplan said temperatures are also expected to cool down, with highs expected in the 60s along the coast.

How much rain has fallen?

Camarillo, Moorpark, Port Hueneme, and Ventura have recorded about 18 inches of rain so far this rain year.

About 16 inches of rain was recorded in Thousand Oaks and 17 inches in Simi Valley.

Meanwhile, 21 inches of rain was recorded in Oxnard and Fillmore; and 25 inches in Santa Paula and 26 inches Ojai.

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If We Don't Act Now, Fascism Will Be on Our Doorstep, Says Yale Historian

Timothy Snyder warns: History gives us a bunch of cases where democratic republics became authoritarian regimes.

Sunset at the White House. (Photo by Ted Eytan/ flickr CC 2.0)

This post originally appeared at AlterNet.

How close is President Donald Trump to following the path blazed by last century's tyrants? Could American democracy be replaced with totalitarian rule? There's enough resemblance that Yale historian Timothy Snyder, who studies fascist and communist regime change and totalitarian rule, has written a book warning about the threat and offering lessons for resistance and survival. The author of On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century talked to AlterNet's Steven Rosenfeld.

Steven Rosenfeld: Three weeks ago, you said that the country has perhaps a year "to defend American democracy." You said what happens in the next few weeks is crucial. Are you more concerned than ever that our political culture and institutions are evolving toward fascism, resembling key aspects of the early 20th-century European regimes you've studied?

Timothy Snyder: Let me answer you in three parts. The first thing is that the 20 lessons that I wrote, I wrote on Nov. 15. The book, On Tyranny, was done by Christmas. Which means if people read it now, and people are reading it, and it's describing the world they are in, that means I've successfully made predictions based on history. We're going to talk about what is going to come, but I want to point out that timeline — it was basically completely blind. But the book does describe what is going on now.

Things slip out of reach for you, psychologically very quickly and then legally almost as quickly. It's hard for people to act when they feel other people won't act. It's hard for people to act when they feel like they have to break the law to do so. So it is important to get out in front before people face those psychological and legal barriers.

The year figure is there because we have to recognize that things move fast. Nazi Germany took about a year. Hungary took about two and a half years. Poland got rid of the top-level judiciary within a year. It's a rough historical guess, but the point is because there is an outside limit, you therefore have to act now. You have to get started early. It's just very practical advice. It's the meta-advice of the past: That things slip out of reach for you, psychologically very quickly and then legally almost as quickly. It's hard for people to act when they feel other people won't act. It's hard for people to act when they feel like they have to break the law to do so. So it is important to get out in front before people face those psychological and legal barriers.

Am I more worried now? I realize that was your question. No, I'm exactly as worried as I was before, in November. I think that the people who inhabit the White House inhabit a different ideological world in which they would like for the United States not to be the constitutional system that it now is. I was concerned about that in November. I'm concerned about it now. Nothing that has happened since has changed the way I see things.

SR: Let's talk about how this evolution takes place. You've written about how "post-truth is pre-fascism." You talk about leaders ignoring facts, law and history. How far along this progression are we? I'm wondering where you might see things going next.

TS: That's tough because what history does is give you a whole bunch of cases where democratic republics become authoritarian regimes; sometimes fascist regimes, sometimes communist regimes. It doesn't give you one storyline: A, B, C, D. It gives you a bunch of clusters of A, and a bunch of clusters of C. But factuality is really important and more important than people realize, because it's the substructure of regime change.

We think about democracy, and that's the word that Americans love to use, democracy, and that's how we characterize our system. But if democracy just means going to vote, it's pretty meaningless. Russia has democracy in that sense. Most authoritarian regimes have democracy in that sense. Nazi Germany had democracy in that sense, even after the system had fundamentally changed.

Democracy only has substance if there's the rule of law. That is, if people believe that the votes are going to be counted and they are counted. If they believe that there's a judiciary out there that will make sense of things if there's some challenge. If there isn't rule of law, people will be afraid to vote the way they want to vote. They'll vote for their own safety as opposed to their convictions. So the thing we call democracy depends on the rule of law. And the things we call the rule of law depends upon trust. Law functions 99 percent of the time automatically. It functions because we think it's out there. And that, in turn, depends on the sense of truth. So there's a mechanism here. You can get right to heart of the matter if you can convince people that there is no truth. Which is why the stuff that we characterize as post-modern and might dismiss is actually really, really essential.

The second thing about "post-truth is pre-fascism" is I'm trying to get people's attention, because that is actually how fascism works. Fascism says, disregard the evidence of your senses, disregard observation, embolden deeds that can't be proven, don't have faith in God but have faith in leaders, take part in collective myth of an organic national unity and so forth. Fascism was precisely about setting the whole Enlightenment aside and then selling what sort of myths emerged. Now those [national] myths are pretty unpredictable, and contingent on different nations and different leaders and so on, but to just set facts aside is actually the fastest catalyst. So that part concerns me a lot.

The classic thing to watch out for is the shift from one governing strategy to another.

Where we're going? The classic thing to watch out for is the shift from one governing strategy to another. In the US system, the typical governing strategy is you more or less have to follow your constituents with legislation because of the election cycle. That's one pulse of politics. The other pulse of politics is emergency. There's some kind of terrorist attack and then the leader tries to suspend basic constitutional rights. And then we get on a different rhythm, where the rhythm is not one electoral cycle to the next but one emergency to the next. That's how regime changes take place. It's a classic way since the Reichstag fire [when the Nazis burned their nation's capitol building and blamed communist arsonists].

So in terms of what might happen next, or what people could look out for, some kind of event that the government claims is a terrorist incident, would be something to be prepared for. That's why it's one of the lessons in the book.

SR: You have talked before about that kind of emergency justification — and even with Vladimir Putin in Russia. Is that what you think would happen here? Because with the exception of the judiciary, a lot of American institutions, like Congress, are not really resisting. They're going along.

TS: They're going along… but my own intuition would be the emergency situation arises because going along isn't going to be enough. Paradoxically, Congress is going along and is going to pass a bunch of stuff, which is not actually very popular. Right? It's not going to be so popular to have millions of people lose health insurance, which is what's going to happen. The ironic things about the Republican Congress is now it has the ability to do everything it wants to do, but none of what it wants to do is that popular. Except with the few big lobbies, of course. The freedom the Republicans have is the freedom to impose their agenda on down.

The same thing goes with Mr. Trump. The things that he might do that some people would like, like building a wall or driving all the immigrants out, those things are going to be difficult or slow. In the case of the wall, I personally don't believe it will ever happen. It's going to be very slow. So my suspicion is that it is much easier to have a dramatic negative event, than have a dramatic positive event. That is one of the reasons I am concerned about the Reichstag fire scenario. The other reason is that we are being mentally prepared for it by all the talk about terrorism and by the Muslim ban. Very often when leaders repeat things over and over they are preparing you for when that meme actually emerges in reality.

SR: I want to change the topic slightly. You cite many examples from Germany in 1933, the year Hitler consolidated power. So what did ordinary Germans miss that's relevant for ordinary Americans now? I know some of this is the blurring of facts. But when I have talked to Holocaust survivors, they often say, nobody ever thought things would be that bad, or nobody thought the Germans would go as far as they did.

With presidential tweets, or with bots, or isolated habits of viewing, it isn't necessarily enlightening. It's the opposite. A lot of us were blindsided by the internet in much the same way that people could be blindsided by radio in the 1930s.

TS: The German Jews then, and people now, don't understand how quick their neighbors will change; don't understand how quickly society can change. They don't understand the fact that a life that's been predictable for a long time, doesn't mean that it will be predictable tomorrow. And people like to think that their experience is exceptional. German Jews might have thought, "Well, there were pogroms [ethnic cleansing] in Russia, but surely nothing like that could happen here." That's what many German Jews thought. So one issue is people need to realize how quickly things can change.

The second thing that German Jews were not aware of, or Germans were not aware of, was how new media can quickly change conversations. In that way, it's not exactly the same, but radio at that time often ended up being a channel for propaganda. There are parallels with the internet now, where there were hopes that it would be [primarily] enlightening. But in fact, it turns out that with presidential tweets, or with bots, or isolated habits of viewing, it isn't necessarily enlightening. It's the opposite. A lot of us were blindsided by the internet in much the same way that people could be blindsided by radio in the 1930s.

But here's the other view. The one that we have that German Jews didn't have in 1933 is we have their experience. That's the premise of the whole book; the premise is that the 20thcentury showed us what can happen, and there's lots of wonderful scholarship by German historians and others, which breaks down what can happen and how. And so, one of the first things that we should be doing is taking advantage of the one opportunity that we really have that they didn't, which is to learn from that history. And that's the premise of the book.

SR: All of your book's lessons are very personal: Don't obey in advance. Believe in truth. Stand out. Defend institutions. Be calm but as courageous as you can be. Yet the change or oppression that you are talking about is systemic and institutional. What do you say to people who say, "I'll try, but I may not have the power here." There's that cliche, tilting at windmills. …

TS: Well, if everyone tilted against a windmill, the windmill would fall down, right? Party of the tragedy of Don Quixote is he's tilting against the wrong thing. So that's not our problem. We're pretty sure what the problem is. But he was also alone except for his faithful companion. We're not really alone. There are millions and millions of people who are looking for that thing to do. Just by sheer math, if everyone does a little thing, it will make a difference. And much of what I am recommending is—you're right, they are things that people can do, but they also involve some kind of engagement. Whether it's the small talk [with those you disagree with] or whether it's the corporeal politics. And that little bit of engagement helps you realize that what you are doing has a kind of sense, even if it doesn't immediately change the order.

And finally, a lot of the political theory that I am calling upon, which comes from the anti-Nazis and the anti-communists, makes the point that even though you don't realize it, your own example matters a whole lot, whether it's positively or negatively. There are times, and this is one of those times, where small gestures, or their absence, can make a huge difference. So the things that might not have mattered a year ago do matter now. The basic thing is we are making a difference whether we realize it or not, and the basic question is whether it is positive or negative.

Don't obey in advance. Believe in truth. Stand out. Defend institutions. Be calm but as courageous as you can be. Yet the change or oppression that you are talking about is systemic and institutional.

Let me put it a different way. Except for really dramatic moments, most of the time authoritarianism depends on some kind of cycle involving a popular consent of some form. It really does matter how we behave. The danger is [if] we say, "Well, we don't see how it matters, and so therefore we are going to just table the whole question." If we do that, then we start to slide along and start doing the things that the authorities expect of us. Which is why lesson number one is: Don't obey in advance. You have to set the table differently. You have to say, "This is a situation in which I need to think for myself about all of the things that I am going to do and not just punt. Not just wait. Nor just see how things seems to me. Because if you do that, then you change and you actually become part of the regime change toward authoritarianism."

SR: You cite in the book something I read in high school: Eugene Ionesco's existential play about fascism, Rhinoceros, where people talk about their colleagues at work, in academia, saying stuff like, "Come on, I don't agree with everything, but give him a chance." Ionesco's point is that people join an unthinking herd before they know it.

What would you suggest people do, when they run into others who fall on this spectrum?

TS: There are a few questions here. One is how to keep yourself going. Another is how to energize other people who agree with you. And the third thing is not quite Rhinoceros stuff, but how to catch people who are slipping. Like that CNN coverage last week of the speech to Congress, where one of the CNN commentators said, "Oh, now this is presidential." That was a Rhinoceros moment, because there was nothing presidential — it was atrocious to parade the victims of crimes committed by one ethnicity. That was atrocious and there's nothing presidential about it.

Catching Rhinoceros moments is one thing. I think it's really important to think about. The example that Ionesco gives is people saying, "Yeah, on one hand, with the Jews, maybe they are right." With Trump, people will say something like, "Yeah, but on taxes, maybe he's right." And the thing to catch is, "Yeah, but are you in favor of regime change? Are you in favor of the end of the American way of democracy and fair play?" Because that's what's really at stake.

With people all the way over at the end of the spectrum who are now confident about Trump — that's a different subject. I think it's important to maintain impossible human relations across that divide, because some of those people are going to change their minds. It's harsh. But some will change their minds, and if they have no one to talk to, it will be much harder for them to change their minds. At different points on the spectrum, you have to think in different ways. My own major concern right now is with self-confidence and the energy of the people who do have the deep — and, I think incorrect — conviction that something has gone wildly wrong.

SR: The people who have the conviction that something has gone wildly wrong — that can describe Trump supporters and Trump opponents.

TS: That's a good point. So much of this is personal. In the book, I don't actually mention anybody's name, except the thinkers who I admire. So much of this is personal that people think, "Well, if you say anything critical, it is about you as a person, and how you don't like anything about someone who likes Trump." That's a way for there to be no political discussion.

I think it's useful, even though you will never win the argument, when you are talking about people who support to the administration, to stay at the level of the Constitution. To stay at the level of freedom, or stay at the level of basic issues, like, is global warming really going to be so great, when the entire Pentagon says that it is a national security threat? Or, is it really such a good idea to treat Muslims like this? Or, is it really going to be so good when millions of people lose health insurance?

The issues of what's constitutional, what is actually American and what's going to be a policy that they are going to be proud of a year from now — keep the conversation closest to the Constitution.

Keep it at the level of issues as much as possible, because what I've found is the pattern that people shift to is, "Why are you going to be so hard on this guy? Give him a chance." But the issues of what's constitutional, what is actually American and what's going to be a policy that they are going to be proud of a year from now — keep the conversation closest to the Constitution. It's easiest to be dismissed when it's personal. And fundamentally, this is the trick. It isn't personal. It doesn't matter who's in charge. What matters is the system, which people of very different convictions take for granted, is now under threat.

SR: You have said that the Muslims are being targeted as the Jews were targeted in Germany. But out here in California, it also feels like the deportation machinery is getting ready for undocumented immigrants. On Monday, Reuters reported that Homeland Security officials said they might separate mothers from kids when making arrests. Germany did that as it rounded up Jews. Don't they face just as grave a threat?

TS: With the Muslims, the resemblance to anti-Semitic policy in Germany in '33 is that if you can pick some group and make them stand in for some international threat, then you can change domestic politics, because domestic politics then is no longer about compromises and competing interests, domestic politics is about who inside the society should actually be seen and outside the society. Once you get the wedge in with the first group, them you essentially win. It could be the Muslims. It could be somebody else, is the point. The political logic is basically the same.

With undocumented immigrants, I think the logic might be a little bit different. I think the goal might be to get us used to seeing a certain kind of police power. And getting us used to seeing things happening to people in public. And then if we get used to that, then we might be more willing for the dial to turn a little bit further. It's too soon for me to speculate confidently about all of this.

I think you're right though, it could be the Muslims, but it doesn't have to be the Muslims. The crucial thing is to get some kind of in [political opening] where people go along with or accept stigmatization. And the logic is there's always some kind of threat that comes from beyond the country. And that we can fix that threat on a group of people inside the country. And if you go along with this, what else are you agreeing to go along with?

SR: To go back to your book, what you're saying is that people should be vigilant, should know their values and participate at some level with making those values known, because that is what ordinary people can do.

TS: Yes. The point of the book is [that] we are facing a real crisis and a real moment of choice. The possibilities are much darker than Americans are used to considering. But at the same time, what we can do is much more important than we realize. The regime will only change if the gamble of the people in the White House is right: That many of us despise many others of us and that most of us are indifferent. If it turns out that there are emotions and values that are more numerous and more vibrant than indifference and hatred, things are going to be okay. That depends on us. That depends on us making certain realizations. It depends on us acting fast. In that sense it's a test, not just collectively. Maybe there's no such thing as a collective test. But it is a test for us individually.

Most Americans who haven't been abroad haven't been faced by something like this. And hopefully they won't be faced with it again. But we are faced with it as citizens and as individuals. And I think, 5 or 10 years from now, no matter how things turn out, we'll ask ourselves — or our children will ask us — how we behaved in 2017.


Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet, including America's retirement crisis, democracy and voting rights, and campaigns and elections. He is the author of Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting (AlterNet Books, 2008). Follow him on Twitter: @srose14.


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